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When
it was over, I was happy for Cleveland and still in awe that they came back
from 3-1 down. It made me
immediately think to text LB and ask if this had been better
than the Boston Red Sox come back against the Yankees in 2004. (He was living in Boston at the time). He immediately made several distinctions
between the two that pointed out how hard it was to judge. It was clear that there was no clear way to
decide if I had just heard the best 7 game series comeback or not. Thus began the quest for the answer to the
question, "What 7 game series comeback is the greatest of all
time?" Well, we have our minimally researched and completely emotion riddled answer below that will stand as the
unofficial official fact until slightly challenged.
1.
LOSING TEAM: How good the other team was. we will take a look at
roster, injuries, and season records. Naturally, the better the team, the harder comeback. The better the team, the better it is for the rating.
Totally underrated |
2. WINNING TEAM: How good
the winning team was. Was this a number
1 versus 2 or did the 8 seed upset the reigning champs? The more of an underdog the better for the
rating.
3. ROAD TRIP: What
advantages they had at home and what disadvantages of overcoming games on the
road; it is always harder to win away.
More road wins or winning the last game on the road will be better for
the rating.
4. BLADE RUNNING: How close
and how often the eventually winner came to elimination. Once, twice, or more the better for the
rating.
Second
and not so foremost, we have to do is
choose the 7 game series that we want to compare from each sport; sadly for you
football fans, there will be no NFL here. (LB Note - half the country just asked, "wait, what other sports?")
NBA
It
was easy to choose the NBA one: Golden State and Cleveland 2016 NBA Finals, the
series that spawned this entry. You may wonder why I didn’t choose one where
the winner came back from a 3-0 deficit; that is because in the NBA it HAS NOT
HAPPENED…YET! I heard one commentator say early in the year that the Warriors
were so good other teams were trying to figure out how many years until theywould not dominate and build their teams for that year, because doing it now seemed
like a waste. As late as May 31st, 2016
the New York Times columnist Harvey Araton wrote how the "Golden State
Warriors are Playing a Different Game" and deemed them a 'basketball
mutation' seemingly invincible. Team-wise they had an amazing run. They won
73 games during the season, a record and one more than the storied '95-'96
Bulls. They had the league MVP in Steph Curry. On the flip
side, Cleveland also had an amazing roster with Lebron, a former MVP, and Kyrie
Irving and Kevin Love.
One for the wife |
However, these were the top seeded teams and were
expected to be in the final. Therefore,
Cleveland as the winning team gets a (-) rating as they were the second best
team in the league. The historic
feats of the Warriors makes the strength of the losing team a (+) rating. Some of those feats of the Warriors I got
when LB responded to my text and chimed in with some amazing considerations. The Warriors only lost at home twice ALL
SEASON, yet the Cavaliers beat them 2 times at home in the series and Game 7
was in California. Road trip earns a
(+). In order to win, the Cavaliers had
to defeat Golden State for 3 straight games, something that hadn't happened to
the Warriors since 2013. However, the
Cavs were only down 3-1 and in Game 5 went into the 4th quarter up 9 and in
Game 6 Cavs opened up the first quarter 31-11, so they were not close to
elimination until the Game 7, so blade running is a (N).
MLB
Easy to choose the baseball one - Yankees and Red Sox 2004 ACLS. (LB Note - HAHAHAHAHAHA Y*****s fans!!!) The losing team were the AL East champions,
New York Yankees, with 101 wins that season.
They were clearly not expected to be on the wrong side of the most
amazing MLB comeback in history. That
clearly gives this series a (+) in the losing team column. The Red Sox however, were also very good,
finishing second only to the Yankees. This
leaves them a (-) in the winning team column.
In terms of Road Wins, they were able to avoid the sweep and win the
extra inning Games 4 and 5 at Fenway, but had to close out the last two games
in Yankee Stadium. Winning Game 7 on the
road is amazing, but having two at home to avoid the extra innings losses were
valuable home field advantage. For that, their
Road Trip rating is (N). Blade Running
is a clear rating I think in this case. After
losing the first 2 games at Yankee stadium, they got shellacked at home in Game 3 19-8.
What Torre was huffing after Game 7 |
It would
take a special team to recover to avoid the sweep, let alone win 4 in a
row. The Red Sox were down one run in
the bottom of the 9th in Game 4 facing one of the greatest, if not the
greatest, closer of all time, Mariano Rivera. (LB Note - best in my book, only Y***** I actually like). They not only scored on Mariano, won in the 12th inning and avoided the
sweep, but took the series. Game 5 also
went to extra innings with Boston winning in the 14th. They took Game 6 just 4-2 before blowing it
up in Game 7 to win 10-3 off Johnny Damon’s grand slam and another 2-run
homer. For this, their blade running
clearly is a (+). It remains the only
3-0 series comeback in MLB history proving just how unlikely a victory it
was.
NHL
LB loves you |
It
was a bit harder to choose the NHL one.
In the end, I had to go with the 2010 Series between the Philadelphia
Flyers and Boston Bruins. The Toronto
Maple Leafs and Detroit Red Wings of 1942 is considered a great one as well and
the only 3-0 deficit overcome in Stanley Cup Finals history; yet there were
only 7 teams back then and team played different series lengths that made it
hard to compare the two. The Flyers
comeback in 2010 over the Bruins was got the nod because it had not been done
in 35 years, they were a 7 seed, they were down in Game 7 3-0
before winning 4-3, and they were on the road.
Only 4 of 182 times (2.2%) has a team down 3-0 come back in the
playoffs.
Let’s look at why the Flyers
was so special. In terms of the losing
team the Bruins were a 6 seed, so that is not special. A 6th seed is not that hard to
beat or shouldn’t be based on performance in the season. For that, they are a
(-) rating. In terms of winning team,
the Flyers were just a 7 seed, which makes it all more unlikely that they would
accomplish such a feat of overcoming a 3-0 deficit, even if against a 6th
seed. For that, they earn a (+)
rating. Game 5 and 7 were won in Boston,
but Game 4 which was won in overtime was in Philadelphia as well as a close 2-1
win in Game 6. Therefore, it was good to
win Game 7, but they had some home ice advantage in two key games and thus earn
a rating of (N). In terms of blade
running, they were down 3-0 games and avoided the sweep by winning Game 4 in
overtime. Then in Game 7, they were down
3-0 in the first period before coming back to win 4-3; scoring with
7:18 remaining and holding on to that lead.
For that they earn a rating of (+).
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Thirdly
and finalmost, we have to compare against the criteria. In order to do this, I will use the military
decision making process style of comparison.
This is how it works. Each entry
(NBA, NHL, MLB) will be rated on each criteria.
They earn a rating of 0,1, or 2.
We have to decide if we are golfing or bowling (low score is better or
high score is better) and in memory of the BONI Bowling league; we are going
bowling and thus a (+) is 2 points
Therefore, in each criteria if the team did something amazing, they are
awarded the (+) which translates to 2 points.
If they did something commendable, but expected, they get a Neutral
rating worth 1 point. If they failed to
achieve something expected of a high caliber team or where not given the chance
to make an amazing feat in that area they are assigned a (-) and receive 0
points. We add up the total at the end
and the highest is the winner. In the
event of a tie, the military commander makes the decision as to what criteria
is the most important and looks for the winner in that column. If there is still a tie, the commander makes
the decision. In this case, our
commander with be the LB. (LB Note - all our friends just s**t themselves at that thought).
CRITERIA
COMPARISON CHART
|
NBA
|
MLB
|
NHL
|
LOSING TEAM
|
2
|
2
|
0
|
WINNING TEAM
|
0
|
0
|
2
|
ROAD TRIP
|
2
|
1
|
1
|
BLADE RUNNING
|
1
|
2
|
2
|
TOTAL
|
5
|
5
|
5
|
Conclusion:
In
an unforeseen, unbelievable finish, all three come out on a tie. Therefore, this blog author has to request LB
to be the final judgment call on the WEIGHT of criteria. He must decide which criteria is the most
important, thus carries the most weight, and therefore the winner. If his choice of criteria still results in a
tie then he will have to choose between the two that are tied. He cannot change the ratings or say bad
things about the author but can only rate criteria and give his reasoning.
BOOM! |
Oh, f**k me, I thought I had the week month two months off of actually thinking about what I was writing, not just babbling like a mess then copy/pasting interviews with our kids! Damn you, Mojo, always making me a better person... alright, fine, I'll settle this debate, attempting to follow that mildly complicated, but seemingly highly effective military decision style. But if I find out you made it a tie on purpose... well, I won't do anything because you're stronger, faster, and just SLIGHTLY better trained than I am.
So first I guess I have to judge the criteria... I give the most weight to Losing Team and Blade Running. I think who you beat, and how close you got to losing, combined, means the most. I am personally more impressed by who you beat, so I would rate it Losing Team, Blade Running, Winning Team, then Road Trip. If I'm reading the military rules right, which I hope I am so I don't get put on restricted duties, I can only go by my first choice, Losing Team. That is a tie for me. I know I'm not allowed to change the ratings, but allow me to pretend to so you can better understand my eventual decision here.
NBA - My only beef with Mojo's analysis is the N for blade running. Just because they were ahead by 9 in Game 5 doesn't minimize what they did the first four quarters in Oakland. Like he said, the Warriors were 40-2 at home last year. This is a + for me, I'm adding a point. LB NBA Total = 6
MLB - I'm debating whether to add to the road trip rating... however, after Googling it, stats show that home field advantage is minimal in baseball. I'll stick with his rating here. However, I reserve the right to pick this one anyways just to stick it to the Y*****s. Maybe I'll just leave this pic here instead...
NHL - I think we could write a post on whether the Wings/Leafs series was more deserving of comparison, but it's Mojo's lead here, so we'll leave that. I would actually move the Winning score from + to N because they beat a 6 seed, making it more likely they could pull the upset. We have seen 8 seeds win the Stanley Cup, for example. Home ice means very little in the NHL playoffs, and I agree with the blade running, too. LB NHL Total = 4
LB Conclusion - The wife is going to accuse me of picking the Cavs to rub in the LeBron v. Jordan debate that will probably define our marriage, but if I were using the military decision making style, I would go with the Cavs over the Warriors. My initial instinct when he said he was writing this was the Red Sox over Y*****s series, but the margin between the best teams is so much greater in the NBA. On top of everything else, the Cavs were about a 67% favorite in Vegas in that series. If the series were a contest between both teams 4-8th best players, the Dubs would have been like a 95% favorite. Which is exactly why I think LeBron may be the best player of all time. Not the one I would take to start a team, but the best actually basketball player of all time. But I digress... your temporary commander is going with the Cavs.
It was legitimately hard for me to refer to myself as "commander" there, and only did so because Mojo referred to me in that regard. I'm going to have the very distinct honor of running with some RWB Eagles at his base in a few weeks, and I can't wait. It will be the first time in over 19 years Mojo and I have run together. Fah and I broke that streak for ourselves July 4th, so glad we are knocking those records back.
Wow, we actually wrote a legitimate sports post. Solid. It's back to serious next time we get around to writing, which will probably be after I see Mojo, we have a few beers, and kick around what should be an awesome, enlightening topic. In the meantime, do your homework and read this book. We hope this finds you enjoying your summers with your friends and family. If you liked what you read, see below Mojo's addendum to his post, which gives some more insight into his thinking for his decisions. Maybe that Cornell education did pay off... Hasta.
NBA
There
are no teams that overcame a 3-0 and only 10 teams that have overcome a 3-1
deficit. Golden State become the 9th
the round before by coming back over the OKC Thunder. Cleveland was the longest city without a
championship in a major sport. This had
to weigh on Cleveland, especially because they fell short the year prior. The town went crazy and has invigorated the
Indians to play some tough baseball, as they rest atop the AL Central.
HONORABLE
MENTION:
Boston
vs. Philadelphia, 1981
Eastern Conference Finals
Game 5: at Celtics 111, 76ers 109
Game 6: Celtics 100, at 76ers 98
Game 7: at Celtics 91, 76ers 90
MLB
There is only 1 team to overcome a
3-0 deficit and only 10 teams that have overcome a 3-1 deficit. Red Sox own the
last two (2007, 2004). The 2004 ALCS was
over their rival Yankees and sent them to the World Series where they ended an
86 year drought of the title. Boston was
rocking so hard scientist claimed they might knock the earth off its axis
(NOTE: This is not a valid study and by that I mean it is BS).
HONORABLE MENTION:
Detroit vs St. Louis, 1968
This is in the World Series (only 4
of the 10 were) and Detroit won the final two on the road to win at a pivotal
time for the city. They were tearing
themselves apart in the street over racial tensions and the National Guard had
to roll tanks down Woodward Ave. Proof
that sports can bring people together.
NHL
There are four teams that have come
back 3-0 but only once in the Stanley Cup.
Through 2016, teams have trailed 3-1 in a best-of-seven series 287
times. Only 28 times has the trailing team comeback to win the series.
Put another way, the team with a 3-1 series lead wins 90% of the
time with the down-and-nearly-out team recovering only 10%
of the time.
HONORABLE MENTION:
Detroit vs Toronto, 1942
As quick as I pump up Detroit I
have to face the music that their loss here is worth noting. It is the only 3-0 comeback in a
championship. There were few teams in
the league and the playoffs were run different, so it was hard to choose this as
the best NHL comeback, but it was close.
My favorite part of this was that Detroit’s coach was suspended for the
series after Game 4. In the fourth game, trying to complete a sweep, a Red Wing refused to leave the ice after a penalty
and the referee dropped the puck and gave the Red Wings a penalty for too many
men on the ice. After the game, Red Wing
Coach Jack Adams repeated punched that referee in the face with a profanity
laced outburst. Welcome to Detroit!
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